N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

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N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:59 pm

Hello,

i buy the N260 because that must be better than the r4850.

but i try it and the r4850 has 980Mhsec and the n260 has 730Mhsec

what can i change to improve performance?

thanks

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by d0PING » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:36 pm

Extremely funny thought :crazy: >>>i buy the N260 because that must be better than the r4850.
Firstly, what ...n260? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: what sp count? old one -192 or newer - 216?With linear code thread using, it's important 216/192*100%.
the second frequency of SP domen (for nvidia) and core freq. -for ati;Conclusion:overclocking could help- ;)
So,...liquid nitrogen or helium :crazy: ----- (-196 *C) and (-269*C) respectively, voltmoding, etc...Have fun!
Seriously, software: try to increase working time; watch key settings, but that means freezing 0f desktop :x , and play with max threads to run ,it could help :ugeek:
now you see what r4850 better moreover 4850x2 :mrgreen:
experiment kills the theory

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by BarsMonster » Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:44 pm

Most likely 4850 would be faster anyway (it is also easy to overclock to 4870 stock clock 750Mhz with ~1150MHash/sec).

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:06 pm

What is then the best card to buy?

i want fast cracking

i try the 2x r4850-oc but have trouble to have them both on 1 crack?

wat can i buy?

to come back on my first question.

the specs of te Msi Nvidia 260 are:
http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=pro ... =1488#menu

and the specs for the Msi Ati 4850 are:
http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=pro ... =1688#menu

both are running in default no overclocking. with 0ne must be better

Thanks

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by BarsMonster » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:55 am

Single 4850 would be better than 260, but right now there is not easy way to support multiple ATI GPUs.

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:57 am

budden wrote:Since there's only BarsWF to support ATI, I guess nvidia's cards are better for pass-cracking, cuz there are other CUDA-programs that support many types of hashes _already_.
Can you give me a program name to try it?

is it faster than barswf?

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Irythros » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:08 am

For nvidia cards you can use EGB or Elite GPU Bruteforcer. It supports many types of hashes.
http://www.insidepro.com/eng/egb.shtml

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:19 pm

Irythros wrote:For nvidia cards you can use EGB or Elite GPU Bruteforcer. It supports many types of hashes.
http://www.insidepro.com/eng/egb.shtml
mmm nice the egb but not so very fast and not for free?

or do you have a other one?

where can i found the Elite gpu bruteforcer

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:55 pm

Is this true???


A 4870 X2 card with the right drivers, and the latest CAL 1.3 SDK will achieve about 2100 Mhash/sec with BarsWF, outperforming every Nvidia card.
http://3.14.by/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8& ... =160#p1511

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by mrb » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:38 pm

Eleanor: well my quote is misleading... It would be true assuming BarsWF would be using CAL directly. But because it is using Brook+ and because as of today there are still limitations inherent to Brook+, it is not possible to reach the theoretical 2100 Mhash/sec. However it will be possible at some point in the future with a new Brook+ & a recompilation of BarsWF.

There is no such thing as "Elite GPU Bruteforcer", by EGB Irythros meant Extreme GPU Bruteforcer. There is also Elcomsoft Distributed Password Recovery, Elcomsoft MD5Crack, bvernoux's md5 cracking tool, majuric's md5 cracking tool.

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:06 pm

OK super thanks!

but what is the speed that we can have with that card?

i need a fast cracking system but don't no what to use?

can you help me?

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by mrb » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:47 pm

The 4870 X2 is currently capable of 1070 Mhash/sec.

If you want to crack single hashes, use BarsWF. If you need to crack multiple hashes at the same time use Bitweasil's multiforcer.

Choose you card depending on its price, power consumption, performance, and how future-proof you want it to be (for example right now BarsWF can't exploit multiple ATI GPUs, but in the future this capability will make them significantly more attractive than Nvidia cards). Also consider what tools you want to run. BarsWF supports both Nvidia and ATI cards, but Bitweasil's multiforcer only supports Nvidia currently (though I may help him port his tool to ATI cards in the near future). For reference, the fastest cards for running BarsWF are as of today:
  • ATI HD 4870 X2: 1070 Mhash/sec (will be capable of 2140 Mhash/sec in the future with new Brook+/BarsWF)
  • ATI HD 4850 X2: 920 Mhash/sec (will be capable of 1840 Mhash/sec in the future with new Brook+/BarsWF)
  • Nvidia GTX 295: 1410 Mhash/sec
  • ATI HD 4890: 1350 Mhash/sec (will come out in April; this performance number assumes the rumor of 800 SPs @ 950MHz is true)
  • ATI HD 4870: 1070 Mhash/sec
  • ATI HD 4850: 920 Mhash/sec
  • Nvidia 9800 GX2: 880 Mhash/sec
  • Nvidia GTX 285: 810 Mhash/sec
  • Nvidia GTX 280: 710 Mhash/sec
  • ATI HD 4830: 680 Mhash/sec
  • Nvidia GTX 260 Core 216: 620 Mhash/sec
  • Nvidia GTX 260: 550 Mhash/sec
This list is based on various benchs reported on this forum, and can be trivially validated manually since the cracking speed increases linearly with the number of SPs and the shader frequency.

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:25 am

Thanks then i go to search for the ATI HD 4870 X2

but when do you think the new version is out?

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by mrb » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:05 am

Eleanor wrote: but when do you think the new version is out?
It depends on when AMD will decide to fix Brook+. Maybe in a couple months ?

That said, something may come sooner ( :wink: to those in the know). This may make you :joy: to have bought an ATI card. I don't want to say too much for now 8-)

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by BarsMonster » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:09 am

Good job, mrb ;-)

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by Eleanor » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:19 pm

can the barswf have multiple hashjes?

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Re: N260-GTX-OC vs r4850-OC

Post by BarsMonster » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:35 pm

Eleanor wrote:can the barswf have multiple hashjes?
Search? :-)

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